How to pitch and price your feature articles
“Take your business one step at a time. You know how you see those things on Facebook where a stick figure is standing at the bottom of the stairs and there’s a long line of stairs up ahead? Don’t look at all those stairs, look at what you can do in this moment, today, this week. And then, when next week comes, tomorrow comes, take the next step and then the next step.”
– Rashida Tayabali
Have you always dreamt of seeing your name in print?
Of picking up the Sunday papers and reading your own article as you drink your morning coffee?
Well our guest today, Rashida Tayabali, has done just that.
She’s a successful copywriter, author and has been featured in more magazines than you could shake a stick at.
She talks with us today about why she chose not to niche down, how she balances life and writing, and gives us a detailed explanation of how to pitch and price your feature articles.
Toon in today to learn how having a great idea is one thing, but sticking with it until the end is the real challenge.
Tune in to learn:
- Rashida’s journey to being a copywriter
- Why Rashida doesn’t niche
- Does feature writing pay more than copywriting
- How to come up with feature article ideas
- How to pitch your idea to the editor
- How to find the right person to pitch to
- Why you shouldn’t pitch your idea to multiple editors
- How to price your article
- How feature articles differ from blogs
- Rashida’s book and why she wrote it
- How Rashida manages the balance
- Her number one tip for copywriters
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About Rashida Tayabali
Rashida Tayabali is a copywriter for female entrepreneurs. She helps brands use the power of clear and concise copy to sell their product or service, all without sounding salesy.
As a copywriter, she helps reduce content stress and overwhelm for clients, freeing them up to focus on growing their business.
In her free time, you’ll find her frowning at typos and trying to catch up on the 20+ books she has yet to read on her bookshelf and Kindle.
Fun fact: When Rashida goes to bookstores, she sniffs the books – she finds it the headiest perfume in the world.
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Transcript
Kate Toon:
Hello. My name is Kate Toon. And I’m the head copy beast at the Clever Copyright School an online community and teaching hub for all things related to copywriting. And I am delighted to be talking to our Rashida Tayabali. Hello, Rashida.
Rashida Tayabali:
Hi Kate. Thanks for having me.
Kate Toon:
Oh, it’s lovely to have you here. For those of you who don’t know Rashida, she is a copywriter for female entrepreneurs, helping brands use the power of clear and concise copy to sell their product or service without sounding salesy. As a copywriter, she helps reduce content stress and overwhelm for clients, freeing them up to focus on growing their business. In her free time, you’ll found her, I like this, frowning at typos and trying to catch up on the 20 books she’s yet to read on her bookshelf and Kindle. Only 20? You’re amateur. Fun fact, when Rashida goes to bookstore, she sniffs the book, she finds it the headiest perfume in the world. I would have to say this, who doesn’t sniff the book? I’m sorry, if you’re listening to this podcast and you don’t sniff books, I’m not sure this is the right podcast for you. It’s the best smell, isn’t it?
Rashida Tayabali:
It really is. And there’s just some sort of magic that I find hidden in between the books and the scent just makes it so much better.
Kate Toon:
You know what’s the better smell though, Rashida, is sniffing your own book, and you’ve had that pleasure.
Rashida Tayabali:
Yes, I have indeed. It’s a very heady perfume.
Kate Toon:
And you just don’t get the same feeling from sniffing your Kindle. It’s not the same thing. I’m sorry. It’s definitely not.
Well, we’re going to talk about your book because obviously, that intro is very copywriter focused. But for me, I kind of think of you as an author and a feature writer as well, so I’ll dig into that a little bit as well on the show. But tell me about your story. Where did it all begin? And how did you become a copywriter? We don’t want War and Peace. But what were some of the key steps in you choosing copywriting as your career?
Rashida Tayabali:
Well, I’m a bit of a cliche, but actually, have always loved to write since I was eight years old and creating my own class magazines and everything. But unfortunately, my career path didn’t take me down the writing way. I actually did a business degree in Perth, Western Australia, and then, moved to New South Wales, started working in marketing roles.
And then, it happened that I was having my first child, and just before I was meant to start maternity leave, I was thinking of, “Oh, what else am I going to do during my mat leave apart from looking after a newborn?” And my husband was like, “Well, you’ve always wanted to write and now you’ve got the time and the space to do it.” So I took a few courses at the Australian Writer Centre and pretty much started pitching to editors straight away.
Kate Toon:
Wow. I love the naivety of your husband of saying, “Oh, you have a newborn, so now you have the time to be a writer,” because of course, you’ve got so much time when you have a brand new baby, you’re just lying around doing nothing all day.
Rashida Tayabali:
I was actually lucky because my son was a really good sleeper. He started sleeping through the night at six weeks and he was an absolute angel, so actually I did have a lot of time.
Kate Toon:
Oh, did you? That’s great. Gosh, my experience was not that. So at that point, when did you join the Clever Copywriting School? Was that around that time or a bit later?
Rashida Tayabali:
I think it was about a couple of years into feature writing. And then, I had friends and previous colleagues approached me to start writing content for them. And actually, at that point, I had done a little bit in as a marketing coordinator, but nothing that specific. And around that time as well, I’d been following you online and I knew that you were a copywriter. I was part of that first Google group you created. Yeah.
Kate Toon:
Yeah?
Rashida Tayabali:
And I must say, I learned heaps and heaps from your blogs and I kept going back to your website. And then, when I found out you were starting your very own copywriting Facebook community, I said, “Right, I’m there.” And I didn’t even know that copywriting was what I was doing until I met you and started following you online.
Kate Toon:
There we go. And now, you’re one of the ambassadors in the group. And one of the things that you do talk about and you’re going to be doing a masterclass on, and you’ve done them before, is about editorial copywriting. But your niche for copywriting is really helping female entrepreneurs. Is that what you would say? I mean, you’ve got a few things that you do. And we’ve had a couple of guests on the show, we’ve had Narissa and Estelle who are very niched, very niched down. But you seem a bit more multi-focused, you do your female entrepreneurs, you also have your book, you write feature articles, you do a variety of things. Is that a deliberate choice or just how it’s played out?
Rashida Tayabali:
I think it’s a deliberate choice because there were certain things that I wanted to get out of my writing career. I guess now it has become a career. And I like the variety of it. And I love writing features, honestly, that is something I can write every day. I just love interviewing people and bringing out the colour, adding really good quotes in there. But copywriting has become the majority source of my income, but I still want to keep my… What do they call it? … irons in the fire.
Kate Toon:
Yes, that’s right. That right.
Rashida Tayabali:
Yeah. So that is-
Kate Toon:
Keep your fingers in lots of pies as well, you can have that one.
Rashida Tayabali:
Yes, that’s right. So I have my fingers in three pies at the moment and I think for now it’s fine, but I like the variety of my career and I don’t really want to get stuck into just one thing and then lose skills in all the other areas.
Kate Toon:
Yeah. I mean, it’s funny because I remember, there was a lady who joined the community called Charlotte Colder and she had a very successful career as a young adult writer and she wanted to do copywriting. And I look at you and your feature writing, you’ve been in all manner of publications and I am so bitter and envious of you. But let’s be honest a little bit about feature writing, it cannot pay quite as well as copywriting. It can’t. That’s kind of the case. You can earn a decent salary from being a feature writer, but you can earn more being a copywriter. What do you think on the pricing side of things?
Rashida Tayabali:
I would say, definitely, copywriting pays a whole heap more than feature writing, but I do know some feature writers who do make five or six figures from their freelance writing, but I think it is hard to get to that level. And copywriting, for me, came quite easy as well because I have done a marketing degree, I have got marketing experience and I always did write content in my roles, and it’s something that I enjoy as well. But definitely, I find that where value and price is concerned, copywriting definitely pays more.
Kate Toon:
Yeah, I think that’s interesting. I hope you don’t mind if we dig in a bit more to the editorial side of things, because I think a lot of people would love to see themselves in print, they’d love to pick up the Sunday papers and find one of their articles there, but also, would be incredibly intimidated. So we’re going to [inaudible 00:07:16] through the different stages. Stage one, I guess, is coming up with an idea for a great feature. What is your process for doing that? How do you come up with all your ideas?
Rashida Tayabali:
I think my ideas actually come from a variety of places. So first of all, they come from the magazine that I’m reading to try and see if I’m the right fit for them. So they could be an article, for example, on five tips on why green tea is good for your health. And if I’ve gone back enough and read and known that they actually haven’t done any on the downside of green tea for health, I would actually pitch that as an article because it would be of interest to them.
Second source of ideas is actually friends and I’m so notorious for this that one of my really good friends always says, “Please, don’t tell her anything. I don’t want to end up in one of articles,” because a lot of my parenting topics came from things that my friends were struggling with as parents that I was struggling with. So that’s my notorious thing with mining ideas from people’s conversations.
And I think, really, another very good source of ideas that I’ve found is Facebook communities. There could be people talking about a certain thing like for example, one of the groups that I belong to, there was a whole thread on how there were these women who were following abundance rituals, how to create abundance in your life. So I knew about having affirmations and all, but these guys were actually doing something really specific. So I turned around and pitched that as an article to Sunday Life and they accepted it.
Kate Toon:
Wow.
Rashida Tayabali:
Yeah. And I found a manifestation coach as well, who knew that was a thing. But yeah, you just have to keep an eye out. Ideas are pretty much everywhere. And you just have to know how to position it in the right way to catch an editor’s interest. And of course, it needs to be a good fit for the magazine too.
Kate Toon:
Okay. Well, let’s go to the next thing. That’s the next thing I was going to ask you about, that positioning. You’ve taught a lot, you’ve helped us in the Clever Copywriting School understand that you need to make life easy for the editor, a strong headline, some key points you’re going to make, and also maybe referencing, if you do have an expert like your abundance coach, that you’re going to have some people to talk to, it’s not just you. What else do we need to include in that pitch when we’re sending it off to the editor?
Rashida Tayabali:
Well, for one thing, you have to make sure that you get the editor’s name right, there are no typos in that email because editors are very, very busy people, they’ve got heaps and heaps of emails coming in. And it’s all about showing the editor that you can deliver on the idea, even though you may never have worked with them. But just make you email short, make it snappy. Try and structure your pitch in the way that articles are written in the magazine. So it pretty much shows the editor that, okay, you’ve read the magazine, you know what sort of content there is, how it’s structured and it makes it easier for them to say yes.
Kate Toon:
And one of the things that I think you said it’s always so important is to be reading the magazine that you want to be featured in. How do you find the name of the right person to send it to so it doesn’t just end up with the receptionist and it gets ignored?
Rashida Tayabali:
Well, usually, most of the sections have their own editors. And for freelance writers, the person to look at is the features’ editor and he or she will look after the features section. Sometimes each section has their own editor and all their names will be listed on the magazine masthead like in the printed copy itself. Or you can call up reception and ask who the right person is to direct your pitch to and get the email address.
Kate Toon:
And I’ve always thought this, like if you come up with a great idea, do you pitch it to multiple magazines at the same time or just the one? Do you have to save your idea? And then, how long do you wait until you go, “Okay, they’re not going to take that. I’m going to try and pitch it to someone else”?
Rashida Tayabali:
Yeah. Well, I think different writers approach it different ways. I am not in favour of pitching the same idea to different editors because it could turn out and if this does happen where both editors come in and say, “Right, will you write for me?” So then who do you say no to? So I generally pitch an idea to an editor, wait a couple of days, followup, and then just pretty much let them know in the email that, “Look, if I don’t hear back from you, then I’m going to pitch it elsewhere.” I don’t wait more than two to three days between pitching and following up.
Kate Toon:
I love that. I love that. And as many people who will be listening will be used to writing blog posts, do you think there’s a huge difference between writing a blog post and a feature post for a magazine? Do you think there’s a lot of difference or do you think it’s similar?
Rashida Tayabali:
I think there’s differences in the sense that every magazine have their own house style, and I think the structure of it and the content as well will be different. So I think, yeah, there’s definite differences between a feature article and a blog, they’re structured differently, the headlines are much more catchy and it follows the house style of the magazine. So yeah, I don’t think you can pass off a blog as a feature article and vice versa.
Kate Toon:
Yeah. I think that’s interesting. And also, as you said, being really aware of the house style and what they require and not sending something that doesn’t fit, because it’s just lazy and it’s going to ruin your chance. And I’m assuming that after a time, once they’ve received a few good articles for you, the door is wedged open a little bit further than it was before. How do you negotiate on price or is it really just a case of them coming back and saying, “Yes, we’ll take your idea. We pay $300, that’s it”? There’s much negotiation?
Rashida Tayabali:
No, there isn’t. In my experience, there hasn’t been much negotiation because every article or every section has a set rate. So for example, a Sunday Life might pay me $500 for a 500 word article, but a Sydney Morning Herald section might pay me 300 for an 800-word article. So all depends on how much budget they have for freelancers. Although, I know that there have been a few freelancers with a long relationship with the editor who have asked for more and they’ve got it, but I’ve never asked for more. I’ve always pretty much taken the rate that they’ve given me.
Kate Toon:
Yeah. Okay, I love it. So thank you. I mean, that’s an amazing 101 on featured articles. Every time I talk to you, I’m like, “I’m going to do it. I’m going to do it. I’m going to pitch something. And I’m going to ask Rashida to read it first.” And then, I never do, because for me, at the moment, I feel like that’s something… I like the fact that you’ve set your business up so you have some space for that, you have some money earning stuff, you’ve got a variety. But one other thing that you added to that mix, another pie that your finger is firmly wedged in is your book. So tell us a little bit about your book and the process of writing that and why you wrote it.
Rashida Tayabali:
Okay. So my book actually came about in the form of a spark. So I was driving my son to his soccer lessons on the M4 Sydney Motorway and I just felt like a little zzz touch me. And then, after that, I had this image of a woman coming to my mind. Like I knew that she was grieving, she had lost her husband, but I didn’t know what was her story going to be. And I thought, “Oh, that sounds like an interesting idea.” I said, let me just explore that and see how I go.
So I pretty much started writing it from that night onwards. I remember typing out 2000 words on my mobile phone while my son was at his soccer. And the idea just pretty much gripped me and held me in its grip for three years while I went through a few first draughts. And I pretty much wrote what is popularly called a vomit draught, so you just pretty much write on the fly. So I wasn’t a plotter, I’m more of a pantser with that book so every day I sat down and I wrote out X number of words, some days I didn’t manage to write, some days I did, but I got to the end.
And I have to say that it is the most hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life, even harder than going to uni to study for a degree. And you would know this, Kate, you’ve written books yourself. And it is so hard. I had moments where I was tearing my hair out trying to get the feel right. I’ve had moments where I’ve been sobbing on the keyboard going, “I can’t do this anymore. I can’t write this book.” But it is just something that poured out of me.
And I think it was a story that needed written because I’ve tackled an issue that’s quite rampant in the community that I belong to. And a big win from that book has been that I’ve had a lot of people approach me and said, “We never realised how hard it was for widows to get remarried and what they go through, the process that they go through.” So there’s been quite a few really good positives come out from that heart-wrenching, sobbing, tear-your-hair-out process.
Kate Toon:
It’s a beautiful thing. And you got to sniff your book, which, let’s be honest, was the main reason that you did it.
Rashida Tayabali:
Yes.
Kate Toon:
But I think that’s a real case of proper inspiration, the breath of gods came into you. But also, the fact that you said you stuck at it for three years. It’s a hard slog writing a book. Even my book, which really isn’t a narrative, it’s a collection of ideas, and the new book that I’m writing, it’s hard to get started and what’s more hard is to keep going all the way to the end and go through. I love the way you call it a vomit draught. I always remember the writer, Barbara Cartland who wrote romance novels used to have her first draught on one colour paper and then another and another. And she writes it all out on typewriters, imagine not being able to edit and go back. Amazing. So, I mean, that’s been amazing. And what do you think that this feature writing and this creative writing has helped bring to your copywriting career? What aspects of it… What’s the crossover there?
Rashida Tayabali:
I think copywriting as well, I feel, for the way I write also, needs some sort of inspiration, except for that I can’t sit around and wait for inspiration every day because clients are waiting for it. And I think the discipline has a lot of crossover between the creative writing and the copywriting, sort of setting a deadline and saying, “I’m going to get it done by this date.” I set a lot of self-imposed deadlines on me with clients. I mean, most my clients will say that they’re happy for me to send it to them whenever it’s ready, but I know that I need to have the discipline to complete it in a specific time, otherwise, then you’re just drowning in work because then everything wants to be sent all at once. So I think the creativity part is there, the discipline to stick at it and to finish it.
And also, the discipline to stick it out as a copywriter, because I remember not making a lot of money at all in my first five years. I think up until I joined the Clever Copywriting community, I pretty much was flying just not really knowing what I was doing. But finally, after, well, five years of full copywriting, I find, this year, I’ve managed to replace my full-time income, but a good seven years after I started out as a writer properly. So I-
Kate Toon:
I think it’s important to talk about that because there’s so much talk of, “I’m a 10-figure a…” 10-figures? “Five-figure a month copyright,” or “I’ve hit six figures,” blah, blah, blah. And it is a hard slog. And it does depend on the choices that you make. Let’s be honest, if you decided to become a full-time copywriter for insurance companies, you might have hit that income goal after three years. But if you want to keep an element of creative writing and enjoyment and whatever, there’s a little bit of a compromise there. And the niche that you choose makes a difference as well. So I love that you’ve been honest about that. It can take a long time to get there.
And just as you stuck it out with the book, sobbing into your keyboard, you’ve stuck it out as a copywriter. And now, you’re one of the ambassadors in our community. You’ve written a book. You’ve been featured in every blooming magazine that exists. People will be looking up to you going, “Oh gosh, I hate her.” Or “I’m very pleased for her. And I’m very charmed by her success.”
So talk to me about that. You said it’s been a struggle. How do you balance all of this? You’ve got your family, you, obviously, like everybody else, have your insecurities. How do you deal with work-life balance and self-doubt? What are some of the mental health challenges you’ve had along the way?
Rashida Tayabali:
So I think for quite a few years, my kids were my priority and I think, perhaps that’s why I didn’t go towards the income part of things, I was happy earning a little bit every month. But in terms of work-life balance, I think, as is, I’m growing older as well. I think that the main thing is that you just have to first and foremost, look after yourself, because if you don’t look after yourself and your health, your business won’t thrive, things will start falling over at home. And sometimes I have days where the only thing I have time for is a 15-minute walk and I will still do that in. So I try and prioritise my health as much as possible to become an effective writer.
And in terms of imposter syndrome, look, I still have moments where I feel like, “Oh my God,” like if I see myself in a magazine or things, and I’m reading my own words and I’m like, “Writer, really?” But I just look at how far I’ve come, not look at it with rose-tinted glasses, but actually look at it in terms of how much sacrifice I’ve made, how much learning I’ve put myself in and just pretty much how much hard work has gone into getting me to this stage.
And I’m really grateful because honestly, I never ever thought, growing up in Kenya, that writing was ever going to be a reality for me, I thought it would just become a nice hobby, something I dabble in on the side while working at my uni degree job and things like that. But I think, you have to prioritise certain things. I think certain things are non-negotiable. And then, if you look after those things, and I think, the rest, pretty much, fall in place.
But just, I think, be confident that you are a writer and you are reasonably good at your job. I mean, I don’t think I’m the best writer out there, but I do deliver on what my clients expect. And generally, they’re happy with the sort of work I’m doing. Like I don’t have to be Ernest Hemingway type of level. And as long as I’m happy with what I’ve written and I don’t have the urge to keep going back to change it, I know I’ve done the best I can. And done is better than perfect, I think I learned that from you.
Kate Toon:
I love that. There’s a few things there. I was reading an article the other day about, how do you feel successful? And obviously, you need to think about what success means to you. But also, you need to, as you said, rationally look at your achievements and make a list of them. One thing I wish I’d done from the start of my business was just to keep a little word doc of achievements because the problem is we constantly move the goalpost. So the first time you got into that Sunday paper, you were like, “Yay.” And then, the next time you’re like, “Yeah, but I want to be on page three.” And it’s like, “Okay, you’ve moved the goalpost.” But you need to measure that success.
Also, the theme that’s coming out for me is a bit of perseverance, like appreciating that, at some points, other things are going to be more important than your copywriting business and you’re going to have to give up time for that and then you’re going to come back.
But I love what you said about appreciating the fact that you are a writer and we don’t all need to be Earnest Hemingway, we don’t all need to be Don Draper and winning awards, we just need to be helping our clients. And as you said, I think all of us will still go back and want to change what we wrote, but at least if you could leave it alone and be like, “Yeah, it’s good enough and I’ve done my very best and that’s all I can do” then that’s fine because otherwise, you drive yourself absolutely round the twist.
So if you were talking, you’ve kind of given us some tips there, but if you were talking to a brand new copywriter who’s listening to this and thinking, “I want to be where Rashida is,” what’s one tip you could give them to get started?
Rashida Tayabali:
I think the main thing is that, just take it one step at a time. You know how you see those things on Facebook where a stick figure is standing at the bottom of the stairs and there’s a long line of stairs up ahead? Don’t look at all those stairs, look at what you can do in this moment, today, this week. And then, when next week comes, tomorrow comes, take the next step and then the next step.
I think, had I looked at myself 10 years ago and thought, “Oh my God, I’ve got to write a book in the next 10 years,” I think I may have not done it because it’s just overwhelming. But take the first step, get your website in order. Then the next step is to start telling people what you do, raise your profile on social media. And I think, is it James Clear, the guy who wrote Atomic Habits says that it’s the 1% that you do that builds up so much momentum over the long-term? So don’t think you have to give a hundred percent all the time, just do 1% today, 1% tomorrow and by the end of the week, you would have done 7%. That’s pretty good.
Kate Toon:
Pretty good. Yeah, I love Atomic Habits also, it’s an amazing book. Yeah, I often think, 10 years ago, if I looked at what I’m doing now, I would actually be horrified. Sometimes I’m actually horrified now when I look at it, but I’d be so overwhelmed and not think I was capable of all of that. But it just built up gradually. It’s iterative. I didn’t have all of it, none of it one day and all of it the next, it just took time. And your confidence builds as you build things. And I think that’s lovely. Rashida, I forgot to ask you an important question, it’s one of the favourite questions on the podcast. Are there any tools that you use on a regular basis as a writer?
Rashida Tayabali:
Look, I know you don’t like this one, but I love it, Google Docs is my absolute favourite. The best thing about it is that I can switch from my desktop to my laptop and it’s all there. I don’t have to download stuff, upload, send it to my email. And I just love it. So Google Docs is my number one, favourite copywriting tool.
Kate Toon:
Oh my goodness, I’m going to edit that bit out. No, I love it. I love it. I just can’t get used to kind of editing and I don’t know, just I’m a big, old… I was going to say hermit, but it’s not hermit. … Luddite. I’m a Luddite when it comes to Google Docs. Well, look, Rashida, it’s been lovely to talk to you. Where can we find out more about you? Where can we buy your book? Let us know.
Rashida Tayabali:
Okay. So you can find out more about me on my website, which is, as Kate says, dub, dub, dub rashidatayabali.com.au. I’m also on Instagram so please come and say hi there. I’m also on LinkedIn and I love it actually. And Facebook, not so much, but I’m there too. And my book is available on Amazon. It’s available on Barnes and Noble and as an ebook on Google Play and Booktopia
Kate Toon:
Fantastic. Can you give us the title of the book again?
Rashida Tayabali:
Yes. So the book is called Life After Ali.
Kate Toon:
Life after Ali.
Rashida Tayabali:
Yeah.
Kate Toon:
It’s got a great cover as well. So yes, I’ll include links to all of those websites and where you can buy the book in the show notes so go and check them out. Rashida, always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much.
Rashida Tayabali:
Thank you so much, Kate. Always lovely to have a chat with you.
Kate Toon:
So that’s the end of this week’s show. If you want to grab more tips about copyrighting, remember, you can head to The Misfit Entrepreneurs group. If you want to watch all of Rashida’s master classes about being a feature writer, then of course, you will need to join the wait list for the Clever Copywriting School membership. So thank you to Rashida for that wonderful episode and all those tips. Maybe one day I’ll build up the courage to try and be a feature writer, it’s actually my dream job.
And thank you to Kate673726 from Australia for her lovely review, “Really looking forward to new episodes. Kate is such a wealth of copy knowledge. I know they’ll be great. Bring on the Clever Copy chats.” Thank you very much, Kate. And thanks to you for listening.
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